I note that the so called expert intends doing invertebrate work in November. Now I'm not an expert but isn't that the time sea trout and brown trout spawn. Does this mean that scientists are going to be tramping all over areas where fish perhaps have spawned? I also believe that it is an offence to disturb salmon redds and are sea trout not classed as salmon for purposes of the relevant fishery legislation? Interested Local Angler
Me Again Concerned local angler, just read some more of the info on this incident and it looks like the Nethan Boys have got at least one thing right and that is the exorbitant fees being charged by scientists! must be great work if you can get it!. It certainly isn't the environment that will benefit. I know that it wont help the river but I hope that the scientists are proved wrong on this occasion and end up with jam on their faces. Having read a lot of the correspondence in relation to the incident I thought that independent contractors were to carry out survey work yet to me it looks like there is a bit of the old pals act going on here having read the content of Dr Yeoman's e mails. Perhaps its just me?
As an ex crown bailiff I can confirm that it is an offence and if any scientists are caught disturbing the redds they should be prosecuted. The Logan has suffered enough without their big feet destroying any more of the life that may be in it.
Looks like Dr Yeomans is in bed with Scottish Water on this one and you guys at the Nethan Valley are being stitched up. I have read all of the information and it is my opinion that for two biologists to state leave the Upper Logan alone then be paid for watching mother nature repair herself is disgusting. If the answer is leave it alone then surely this is the case for the whole of the Clyde System. Why are the CRF out surveying all over the place? The answer is simple its all about money and Dr Yeomans is prepared to wear any hat that suits just to get that money the man is nothing but a whore from what I have read. The CRF have been in existence for many years and have been out surveying for at least 7 of those years yet there doesn't don't seen to have any form of management plan being produced. Ask yourselves this why are they doing survey work? what do they hope to achieve from it more fish? because from what I can gather not one single extra fish has entered the river system due to any of the work carried out by the CRF. Where has all the money gone?? Is it not the case that DR Yeomans is opposed to salmon spawning anywhere other than in the main stem of the river and that he was opposed to a fish pass being built at the proposed new hydro scheme for Strathclyde Park even though it is a legal requirement( I am sure I read this in on the Grass Carp blog) One must examine the motives of the CRF when it comes to catchment management. I do not think they have the best interest of the fish in mind when you examine both the Logan Water Pollution and the Strathclyde Park Hydro Station scenarios. I hope SEPA step in on the Logan Pollution and force the Water Authorities to take positive action instead of this 'lets sit back and see what happens attitude' backed by two qualified Muppet's. Scottish Water are the biggest polluter of the Clyde System only problem is the incidents are spread all over the place and are rarely brought to public notice. Any one of you readers can find out how often and where they occur by simply requesting the information from Scottish Water under the Freedom of Information Act. Perhaps SEPA have records of them all too. MY own local river the North Calder has had several such pollutions. I intend writing to Scottish Water and asking for information on pollution incidents on the North Calder or any of the burns which run into it. Perhaps you should all do the same and see how a company that supplies drinking water for human consumption has little or no regard for the environment downstream of their reservoirs. This scientific study proposed for the Logan is just a smoke screen and Scottish Water are trying to wriggle out of having to meet the costs of writing a wrong that they caused through ignorance and criminal neglect. I have checked the Internet and discovered that some species of aquatic insects have 2 or 3 year life cycles and that not all hatch at the same time of year. It therefore makes more sense to me that a 5 years study should be carried out with at least one visit per month to monitor the situation. Unfortunately from the information on the posted e mails it looks like Scottish Water want a cheap way out as the results of any survey work will be a useless waste of tax payers money. Unlike the Nethan Valley Angling Association being opposed to tree hugger putting insects into the river I hope that tree they do put insects into the Upper Logan but sources them locally cutting down on the risk of moving parasites. That would surely negate the need for a scientific study as any data gathered would be corrupted. Therefore making a mockery of the whole situation or can Yeomans with his apparent expertise tell exactly from where an insect originated or will he pay thousands of pounds to have every one of them DNA tested. Dr Yeomans CSI Clyde's Scientific Idiot. Hope SEPA kick Scottish Water's arse in court. Good luck Nethan Valley stick in there! you guys are the only ones who seem to care for the environment in all of this.
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I note that the so called expert intends doing invertebrate work in November. Now I'm not an expert but isn't that the time sea trout and brown trout spawn. Does this mean that scientists are going to be tramping all over areas where fish perhaps have spawned? I also believe that it is an offence to disturb salmon redds and are sea trout not classed as salmon for purposes of the relevant fishery legislation?
Interested Local Angler
Me Again Concerned local angler, just read some more of the info on this incident and it looks like the Nethan Boys have got at least one thing right and that is the exorbitant fees being charged by scientists! must be great work if you can get it!. It certainly isn't the environment that will benefit. I know that it wont help the river but I hope that the scientists are proved wrong on this occasion and end up with jam on their faces.
Having read a lot of the correspondence in relation to the incident I thought that independent contractors were to carry out survey work yet to me it looks like there is a bit of the old pals act going on here having read the content of Dr Yeoman's e mails. Perhaps its just me?
As an ex crown bailiff I can confirm that it is an offence and if any scientists are caught disturbing the redds they should be prosecuted. The Logan has suffered enough without their big feet destroying any more of the life that may be in it.
I hope that the nvaa catch them up there doin surveys in november and prosecute all involved good luck to all.
Looks like Dr Yeomans is in bed with Scottish Water on this one and you guys at the Nethan Valley are being stitched up. I have read all of the information and it is my opinion that for two biologists to state leave the Upper Logan alone then be paid for watching mother nature repair herself is disgusting.
If the answer is leave it alone then surely this is the case for the whole of the Clyde System.
Why are the CRF out surveying all over the place?
The answer is simple its all about money and Dr Yeomans is prepared to wear any hat that suits just to get that money the man is nothing but a whore from what I have read. The CRF have been in existence for many years and have been out surveying for at least 7 of those years yet there doesn't don't seen to have any form of management plan being produced.
Ask yourselves this why are they doing survey work? what do they hope to achieve from it more fish? because from what I can gather not one single extra fish has entered the river system due to any of the work carried out by the CRF.
Where has all the money gone??
Is it not the case that DR Yeomans is opposed to salmon spawning anywhere other than in the main stem of the river and that he was opposed to a fish pass being built at the proposed new hydro scheme for Strathclyde Park even though it is a legal requirement( I am sure I read this in on the Grass Carp blog) One must examine the motives of the CRF when it comes to catchment management. I do not think they have the best interest of the fish in mind when you examine both the Logan Water Pollution and the Strathclyde Park Hydro Station scenarios. I hope SEPA step in on the Logan Pollution and force the Water Authorities to take positive action instead of this 'lets sit back and see what happens attitude' backed by two qualified Muppet's.
Scottish Water are the biggest polluter of the Clyde System only problem is the incidents are spread all over the place and are rarely brought to public notice. Any one of you readers can find out how often and where they occur by simply requesting the information from Scottish Water under the Freedom of Information Act. Perhaps SEPA have records of them all too. MY own local river the North Calder has had several such pollutions. I intend writing to Scottish Water and asking for information on pollution incidents on the North Calder or any of the burns which run into it. Perhaps you should all do the same and see how a company that supplies drinking water for human consumption has little or no regard for the environment downstream of their reservoirs.
This scientific study proposed for the Logan is just a smoke screen and Scottish Water are trying to wriggle out of having to meet the costs of writing a wrong that they caused through ignorance and criminal neglect. I have checked the Internet and discovered that some species of aquatic insects have 2 or 3 year life cycles and that not all hatch at the same time of year. It therefore makes more sense to me that a 5 years study should be carried out with at least one visit per month to monitor the situation. Unfortunately from the information on the posted e mails it looks like Scottish Water want a cheap way out as the results of any survey work will be a useless waste of tax payers money.
Unlike the Nethan Valley Angling Association being opposed to tree hugger putting insects into the river I hope that tree they do put insects into the Upper Logan but sources them locally cutting down on the risk of moving parasites. That would surely negate the need for a scientific study as any data gathered would be corrupted.
Therefore making a mockery of the whole situation or can Yeomans with his apparent expertise tell exactly from where an insect originated or will he pay thousands of pounds to have every one of them DNA tested. Dr Yeomans CSI Clyde's Scientific Idiot.
Hope SEPA kick Scottish Water's arse in court. Good luck Nethan Valley stick in there! you guys are the only ones who seem to care for the environment in all of this.
Interested Angler
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